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The New Age + Noam Chomsky's Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death
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rh777
2011-06-14 10:35:22 UTC
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"Peace will be the result of
understanding and sharing,
and not the origin of them..."
Djwahl Khul

===================================

It is a good thing for seekers and others who are interested in
metaphysics, the new age, enlightenment, etc to understand what the
world leaders are really up to. Presently, the western world is led by
very deceptive men whose morals are lower than the average people in
the streets. Most of them are not interested in building a new world
with plenty of peace and justice. Their objectives are to serve the
super rich, to help them amass even more billions, and to stay in
power. They would prefer the people to believe that murdering Osama
Bin Laden was a good thing, that the USA represents the "Good guys"
and that Osama was a terrible villain.

Noam Chomsky has a crystal clear, factual, non-emotional perspective
that is very helpful for seekers of the truth. Those who read his
material see that the western politicans and news media are very
deceptive. They act to help the super rich get richer, to maintain the
status quo and not to rock the boat.

Our relatively young civilization is crossing a crossing a bridge at
this time. Behind us is the old dying era, the piscean age and before
us is a new era that will be strongly influenced by the energies of
aquarius. Under their stimulus we will build a golden civilization, it
will be a 2,000+ year period when we will build a new world
characterized by peace, justice, beauty and joy. It will be a new era
when the politicians will have respect for and work to serve the
people. We will see the scourges of war, poverty, hunger, political
corruption and extreme concentrated wealth totally eradicated.

As many can see, the systems, solutions and methods (including the
economic system) that have worked for the ruling elite for the past
2,000 years are not working any longer. It is time for a new
economic system that serves all the people fairly, time for a new
breed of politician, who has sincere respect for everyone and a strong
desire to create justice and peace, and many more good things.

You are hereby encouraged to seek and spread the truth.

rh


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===================================

Noam Chomsky: My Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death
By Noam Chomsky

It’s increasingly clear that the operation was a planned
assassination,
multiply violating elementary norms of international law. There
appears
to have been no attempt to apprehend the unarmed victim, as
presumably
could have been done by 80 commandos facing virtually no
opposition—except, they claim, from his wife, who lunged towards
them.
In societies that profess some respect for law, suspects are
apprehended
and brought to fair trial. I stress “suspects.” In April 2002, the
head
of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most
intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than
that
it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though
implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April
2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington
dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not
know,
because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they
were presented with evidence—which, as we soon learned, Washington
didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White
House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were
carried out by al Qaeda.”


Nothing serious has been provided since. There is much talk of bin
Laden’s “confession,” but that is rather like my confession that I
won
the Boston Marathon. He boasted of what he regarded as a great
achievement.


There is also much media discussion of Washington’s anger that
Pakistan
didn’t turn over bin Laden, though surely elements of the military
and
security forces were aware of his presence in Abbottabad. Less is
said
about Pakistani anger that the U.S. invaded their territory to carry
out
a political assassination. Anti-American fervor is already very high
in
Pakistan, and these events are likely to exacerbate it. The decision
to
dump the body at sea is already, predictably, provoking both anger
and
skepticism in much of the Muslim world.


We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos
landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his
body in the Atlantic. Uncontroversially, his crimes vastly exceed bin
Laden’s, and he is not a “suspect” but uncontroversially the
“decider”
who gave the orders to commit the “supreme international crime
differing
only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the
accumulated evil of the whole” (quoting the Nuremberg Tribunal) for
which Nazi criminals were hanged: the hundreds of thousands of
deaths,
millions of refugees, destruction of much of the country, the bitter
sectarian conflict that has now spread to the rest of the region.


There’s more to say about [Cuban airline bomber Orlando] Bosch, who
just
died peacefully in Florida, including reference to the “Bush
doctrine”
that societies that harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists
themselves and should be treated accordingly. No one seemed to notice
that Bush was calling for invasion and destruction of the U.S. and
murder of its criminal president.


Same with the name, Operation Geronimo. The imperial mentality is so
profound, throughout western society, that no one can perceive that
they
are glorifying bin Laden by identifying him with courageous
resistance
against genocidal invaders. It’s like naming our murder weapons after
victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe
were
to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”


There is much more to say, but even the most obvious and elementary
facts should provide us with a good deal to think about.


Noam Chomsky is Institute Professor emeritus in the MIT Department of
Linguistics and Philosophy. He is the author of numerous best-selling
political works. His latest books are a new edition of Power and
Terror,
The Essential Chomsky (edited by Anthony Arnove), a collection of his
writings on politics and on language from the 1950s to the present,
Gaza
in Crisis, with Ilan Pappé, and Hopes and Prospects, also available
as
an audiobook.

Source:
http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/
Noam Chomsky: My Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death
May 6, 2011
By Noam Chomsky

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The truth set us free - from believing the lies of the corrupt
establishment.
It will eventually set us free from the claws of the ruling elite and
all the
miserable consequences of their terrible leadership.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Please note: This is posted to five diverent newsgroups.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"If you flip over the rock of American foreign policy of the past
century, this is what crawls out…
invasions … bombings … overthrowing governments …
occupations … suppressing movements for social change …
assassinating political leaders … perverting elections …
manipulating labor unions … manufacturing "news" …
economic and political sanctions ... death squads …
torture … biological warfare … depleted uranium …
drug trafficking … mercenaries …

It's not a pretty picture.
It is enough to give imperialism a bad name.

Read the full details in: Killing Hope: US Military and CIA
Interventions Since World War II."

http://killinghope.org/

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"It isn't indifference. It's just augury:.. it's reasonable to
wonder why the symbols of America's economic and military dominance
- the World Trade Center and the Pentagon - were chosen as the
targets of the attacks. Why not the Statue of Liberty? Could it be
that
the stygian anger that led to the attacks has its taproot not in
American freedom and democracy, but in the US Government's record of
commitment and support to exactly the opposite things - to military
and economic terrorism, insurgency, military dictatorship, religious
bigotry and unimaginable genocide (outside America)?...American
people
ought to know that it is not them but their Government's policies
that are so hated."
Arundhati Roy, Author

===================================

“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible
government owing no allegiance and
acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this
invisible government, to befoul
the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is
the first task of the
statesmanship of today.” : President Theodore Roosevelt

===================================


"Without sharing there can be no justice;
without justice there can be no peace;
without peace there can be no future...
Man must change or die.
There is no other course."

Maitreya, the World Teacher
http://www.share-international.org

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thoughtful and informative Progressive news programs here on
weeknights - 5pm to ~midnight-
Sit back and watch and become more informed of what's going on in this
crazy mixed
up world. The news program hosts at rt.com are very refreshing.
They're at the opposite
end of the spectrum from the insanity spouted by Rush Limbaugh, Fox
News
and other extremely ridiculous Americans.
http://rt.com/on-air/rt-america-air/

Those who manipulate the US military industrial complex are the
biggest trouble makers on the planet. They are the most significant
obstacles to world peace. Sadly, they are supported by approx. 99% of
the us senate, men who are more interested in holding onto their power
and helping the super rich get even richer, than anything else. Good
men can not be expected to relax while neither rabid dogs or unmanned
drones prowl their neighborhoods and the neighborhoods of their
neighbors, indiscriminately killing and maiming friends and
relatives. It is not unreasonable to expect some good men especially
those who have felt the destruction and massive amounts of needless
misery caused by our military industrial complex to find a way to
detonate a nuclear bomb in the USA. Perhaps that is what some terribly
sick minds in the pentagon want to happen, so that they can strike
back. Then someone else would strike us again, and we would throw some
nukes in their direction, and eventually the Earth become
uninhabitable. With each belligerent act of the State Department and
DoD, we get closer to global nuclear annihilation. The so called
"department of defense" must be exposed for what it is and shut down,
asap. All that money is being spent to create problems, rather than
solve them. We need to turn the situation around. As plenty of people
know, the first step in solving any problem is to define the problem.
The truth will set us free from warmongers and war. Their lies will
only perpetuate the present hellish situation.
rh

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“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and
causes me to tremble for the
safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been
enthroned and an era of
corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the
country will endeavour to
prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until
all wealth is aggregated in
a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.” : Abraham Lincoln


"Love is an active force which transforms. Love which does
not act is hardly love at all. Love in action is the
essence of love. It is an ability to love the world and all
that is in it which is the capacity of Maitreya. The
deepest desire of the heart of the One who can do that is to
unify all. He looks into the world and sees... [X.X] billion
people: suffering, striving, competing, all the different
actions, some positive, some deeply negative. He sees all of
that and His urge, His deepest desire, the outflow of His
spiritual heart's need, is to bring all of that together, to
unify it all."
Benjamin Creme, in Maitreya's Mission Vol. III

"A true realization of the implications of reincarnation will
transform the whole Western approach to reality. The idea that there
is purpose and plan; above all that the great Law of Cause and Effect
governs our existence, must change our viewpoint. The need for right
human relationships, for harmlessness, will become abundantly clear. "
Benjamin Creme

======

"The only real hope of people today . . . is a renewal of our
certainty that we are rooted in Earth and, at the same time, in the
cosmos. This awareness endows us with the capacity for self-
transcendence . . . Transcendence as a hand reached out to those close
to us, to foreigners, to the human community, to all living creatures,
to nature, to the universe; transcendence as a deeply and joyously
experienced need to be in harmony even with what we ourselves are not,
what we do not understand, what seems distant from us in time and
space, but with which
we are nevertheless mysteriously linked because, together with us, all
this constitutes a single world."
Vaclav Havel

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It is not out of goodness towards others that I am gentle, peace
loving,
long suffering and friendly, but because by being so I ultimately
sustain my deepest self."
Albert Schweitzer
Collier
2011-06-15 16:12:57 UTC
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Post by rh777
Maitreya, the World Teacher
http://ww.share-international.org
Watch out for the Maiteya charlatans who attempt to separate people from their
money!
knowbuddee
2011-06-16 09:50:59 UTC
Permalink
The world has plenty of jokers who prefer non-sense to the truth.
May all beings be well and happy.

=================================

"There is a stage of discipleship which is described as that of "light
fluctuation." The Stanzas for Disciples, which I have at times quoted
to you,
speak of this stage as follows:

"In and out of the light, as a moth around a candle, flicker the
sparks. These sparks are men, awakened to the light, but men who know
not that the greater Light puts out their little light and draws the
sparks unto itself. They cannot face the light. They fear its utter
truth. [29] They come; they go; again do they return, only again to
leave."

Hold these brothers, who still remain your group brothers though
temporarily in pralaya, warmly in your hearts. Hold them in love. Seek
not to bring them aid or draw them back again within the circle of
your service. They are at the point where their own souls alone and I,
their Master, know the right timing of approach."
source: AAB's DNA Vol. 2


============================================================

"...mankind [will advance] into a civilization and a state of
consciousness in which
right human relations and worldwide cooperation for the good of all
will be the
universal keynote." The Tibetan

=============================================================

"Without sharing there can be no justice;
without justice there can be no peace;
without peace there can be no future."
Maitreya, the World Teacher

=============================================================
"The day that hunger is eradicated from the earth there will be the
greatest
spiritual explosion the world has ever known. Humanity cannot imagine
the
joy that will burst into the world on the day of that great
revolution."
Federico
Garcia Lorca

===============================

"To destroy governmental violence only one thing is needed: it is that
people should understand that the feeling of patriotism which alone
supports that instrument of violence is a rude, harmful, disgraceful,
and bad feeling, and above all is immoral. It is a rude feeling
because it is natural only to people standing on the lowest level of
morality and expecting from other nations such outrages as they
themselves are ready to inflict. It is a harmful feeling because it
disturbs advantageous and joyous peaceful relations with other
peoples, and above all produces that governmental organization under
which power may fall and does fall into the hands of the worst men. It
is a disgraceful feeling because it turns man not merely into a slave
but into a fighting cock, a bull, or a gladiator, who wastes his
strength and his life for objects which are not his own, but his
government's. It is an immoral feeling because, instead of confessing
himself a son of God . . . or even a free man guided by his own
reason, each man under the influence of patriotism confesses himself
the son of his fatherland and the slave of his government, and commits
actions contrary to his reason and conscience."
—Leo Tolstoy, Patriotism and Government
===============================================

"I spent thirty-three years and four months in active service in the
country's most agile military force, the Marines. I served in all
ranks from second lieutenant to major general. And during that period
I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big
Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a
racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of
it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an
original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties
remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the
higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.Thus
I helped make Mexico, and especially Tampico, safe for American oil
interests in 1914.

I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank
boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the raping of half-a-dozen
Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record
of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the
international banking house of Brown Brothers and Co. in 1909-1912. I
brought light to the Dominican Republic for the sugar interests in
1916. I helped make Honduras 'right' for American fruit companies in
1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its
way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a
swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, and promotion.
Looking back on it, I feel that I might have given Al Capone a few
hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three city
districts. The Marines operated on three continents."
—Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler (former Commandant, U.S. Marine Corps),
Common Sense, November 1935
Post by rh777
"Peace will be the result of
understanding and sharing,
and not the origin of them..."
Djwahl Khul
===================================
It is a good thing for seekers and others  who are interested in
metaphysics, the new age,  enlightenment, etc to understand what the
world leaders are really up to. Presently, the western world is led by
very deceptive men whose morals are lower than the average people in
the streets.  Most of them are not interested in building a new world
with plenty of peace and justice. Their objectives are to serve the
super rich, to help them amass even more billions, and to  stay in
power. They would prefer the people  to believe that murdering Osama
Bin Laden was a good thing, that the USA represents the "Good guys"
and that Osama was a terrible villain.
Noam Chomsky has a crystal clear, factual, non-emotional perspective
that is very helpful for seekers of the truth. Those who read his
material see that the western politicans and news media are very
deceptive. They act to help the super rich get richer, to maintain the
status quo and not to rock the boat.
Our relatively young civilization is crossing a crossing a  bridge at
this time. Behind us is the old dying era, the piscean age and before
us is a new era that will be strongly influenced by the energies of
aquarius. Under their stimulus we will build a golden civilization, it
will be a 2,000+ year period when we will build a new world
characterized by peace, justice, beauty and joy. It will be a new era
when the politicians will have respect for and work to serve the
people. We will see the scourges of war, poverty, hunger, political
corruption and extreme concentrated wealth totally eradicated.
As many  can see, the systems, solutions and methods (including the
economic system) that have worked for the ruling elite for the past
2,000 years are not working any longer.   It is time for a new
economic system that serves all the people fairly, time for a new
breed of politician, who has sincere respect for everyone and a strong
desire  to create justice and peace, and many more good things.
You are hereby encouraged to  seek and spread the truth.
rh
==================================
===================================
===================================
Noam Chomsky: My Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death
By Noam Chomsky
It’s increasingly clear that the operation was a planned
assassination,
multiply violating elementary norms of international law. There
appears
to have been no attempt to apprehend the unarmed victim, as
presumably
could have been done by 80 commandos facing virtually no
opposition—except, they claim, from his wife, who lunged towards
them.
In societies that profess some respect for law, suspects are
apprehended
and brought to fair trial. I stress “suspects.” In April 2002, the
head
of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most
intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than
that
it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though
implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April
2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington
dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not
know,
because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they
were presented with evidence—which, as we soon learned, Washington
didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White
House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were
carried out by al Qaeda.”
Nothing serious has been provided since. There is much talk of bin
Laden’s “confession,” but that is rather like my confession that I
won
the Boston Marathon. He boasted of what he regarded as a great
achievement.
There is also much media discussion of Washington’s anger that
Pakistan
didn’t turn over bin Laden, though surely elements of the military
and
security forces were aware of his presence in Abbottabad. Less is
said
about Pakistani anger that the U.S. invaded their territory to carry
out
a political assassination. Anti-American fervor is already very high
in
Pakistan, and these events are likely to exacerbate it. The decision
to
dump the body at sea is already, predictably, provoking both anger
and
skepticism in much of the Muslim world.
We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos
landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his
body in the Atlantic. Uncontroversially, his crimes vastly exceed bin
Laden’s, and he is not a “suspect” but uncontroversially the
“decider”
who gave the orders to commit the “supreme international crime
differing
only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the
accumulated evil of the whole” (quoting the Nuremberg Tribunal) for
which Nazi criminals were hanged: the hundreds of thousands of
deaths,
millions of refugees, destruction of much of the country, the bitter
sectarian conflict that has now spread to the rest of the region.
There’s more to say about [Cuban airline bomber Orlando] Bosch, who
just
died peacefully in Florida, including reference to the “Bush
doctrine”
that societies that harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists
themselves and should be treated accordingly. No one seemed to notice
that Bush was calling for invasion and destruction of the U.S. and
murder of its criminal president.
Same with the name, Operation Geronimo. The imperial mentality is so
profound, throughout western society, that no one can perceive that
they
are glorifying bin Laden by identifying him with courageous
resistance
against genocidal invaders. It’s like naming our murder weapons after
victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe
were
to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”
There is much more to say, but even the most obvious and elementary
facts should provide us with a good deal to think about.
Noam Chomsky is Institute Professor emeritus in the MIT Department of
Linguistics and Philosophy. He is the author of numerous best-selling
political works. His latest books are a new edition of Power and
Terror,
The Essential Chomsky (edited by Anthony Arnove), a collection of his
writings on politics and on language from the 1950s to the present,
Gaza
in Crisis, with Ilan Pappé, and Hopes and Prospects, also available
as
an audiobook.
 http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/
Noam Chomsky: My Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death
May 6, 2011
By Noam Chomsky
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The truth set us free - from believing the lies of the corrupt
establishment.
It will eventually set us free from the claws of the ruling elite and
all the
miserable consequences of their terrible leadership.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please note: This is posted to five diverent newsgroups.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"If you flip over the rock of American foreign policy of the past
century, this is what crawls out…
invasions … bombings … overthrowing governments …
occupations … suppressing movements for social change …
assassinating political leaders … perverting elections …
manipulating labor unions … manufacturing "news" …
economic and political sanctions ... death squads …
torture … biological warfare … depleted uranium …
drug trafficking … mercenaries …
It's not a pretty picture.
It is enough to give imperialism a bad name.
Read the full details in:  Killing Hope: US Military and CIA
Interventions Since World War II."
http://killinghope.org/
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"It isn't indifference. It's just augury:.. it's reasonable to
wonder why the symbols of America's economic and military dominance
- the World Trade Center and the Pentagon - were chosen as the
targets of the attacks. Why not the Statue of Liberty? Could it be
that
the stygian anger that led to the attacks has its taproot not in
American freedom and democracy, but in the US Government's record of
commitment and support to exactly the opposite things - to military
and economic terrorism, insurgency, military dictatorship, religious
bigotry and unimaginable genocide (outside America)?...American
people
ought to know that it is not them but their Government's policies
that are so hated."
Arundhati Roy, Author
===================================
“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible
government owing no allegiance and
acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this
invisible government, to befoul
the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is
the first task of the
statesmanship of today.” : President Theodore Roosevelt
===================================
"Without sharing there can be no justice;
without justice there can be no peace;
without peace there can be no future...
Man must change or die.
There is no other course."
Maitreya, the World Teacherhttp://www.share-international.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thoughtful and informative Progressive news  programs here on
weeknights - 5pm to ~midnight-
Sit back and watch and become more informed of what's going on in this
crazy mixed
up world.  The news program hosts at rt.com are very refreshing.
They're at the opposite
end of the spectrum from the insanity spouted by Rush Limbaugh, Fox
News
and other extremely ridiculous Americans.http://rt.com/on-air/rt-america-air/
Those who manipulate the US military industrial complex are the
biggest trouble makers on the planet. They are the most significant
obstacles to world peace. Sadly, they are supported by approx. 99% of
the us senate, men who are more interested in holding ...
read more »
Collier
2011-06-16 18:49:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by knowbuddee
The world has plenty of jokers who prefer non-sense to the truth.
May all beings be well and happy.
Truth? You mean the truth about Benjamin Creme and his fluffy little leprechaun?


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